Old Bull, Young Bull

The following post was guest written by Tom Hoban, Managing Director of Coast|Sperry Van Ness and CEO of the Coast Group of Companies:

The gap between our client’s offer and the seller’s asking price was huge.  Call it a “Cap Gap,” or just a market moving faster than the seller wanted to believe, but the reality was that the NOI (net operating income, the fundamental basis for value) of yesterday and the NOI of tomorrow were some distance apart.  As a result, the separation between the bid/ask would be of commensurate distance.

My broker, a very skilled, younger fellow hitting his stride, presents our client’s offer.  The broker on the other side is, by all accounts, one of the biggest names in the business.  It’s his mountain and he likes being on top.  My guy is just a another young bull trying to get up the hill to knock off the old bull.

It’s the first offer from our buyer and everyone expects it to be something less than the asking price.  The principals and the brokers are all in the same room, so people’s reactions once the offer is presented will dictate who moves further to get a deal done.  The old bull has seen this scene before.  Many young bulls have attempted to get to and stay on the top of his mountain.  The tension in the room is palpable.

My young bull presents our client’s offer.  Eyes train on the paperwork, foreheads are rubbed, and there’s silence in the air as the seller and the old bull examine the details.  Then the silence is broken as the old bull starts in.  That’s when things got interesting.  “It’s way too low, guys” says the old bull almost impulsively.  “Just way too low”.  And then he makes a fatal mistake.  “Do you know what you are doing?  This property has a lot of intrinsic value.”

My young bull is good.  Very good.  Terrific at underwriting, marketing, negotiating, and team building.  He’s a rising star and has been one of the top producing brokers in his category in the nation.  It’s no secret to the old bull.    And my young bull is competitive.  A little brash, even.  But backs it up with skill and intellect.

Insulted in front of his client and the old bull’s client, my young bull very coolly and diplomatically shifts in his chair, leans forward with eyes trained on the old bull and says “You’ve been doing this a long time.  Longer than me.  But if you can reach back somewhere into your history books right now and show me a definition of ‘intrinsic value’ that doesn’t say ‘blue sky’ or ‘broker BS’ next to it, then we’ll underwrite our offer to your number”.

He paused for effect, then went on, “The market has changed and you have obviously not changed with it.”

After some tense stare-downs, the meeting ended with our client’s offer – like a smelly pile of dog doo – sitting on the seller’s conference table.

Within days, the old bull’s client made a move.  A big move.  And the gap narrowed dramatically.

This story – embellished a bit for effect – is typical of the market dynamics of today.  Successful brokers of the past were successful using different tools and skills.   If you entered the market recently, though, you’d have to take it on its terms.  Today, that means complicated and very detailed up front underwriting both to secure listings and to represent buyers in a market that is moving so fast that a six-month old appraisal is essentially useless.

I’m intrigued by this dynamic.  As a leader of any real estate business today, we must throw out many of the “that’s-what-got-us-here” notions and manage our people and our brokerage businesses under new assumptions.  Concepts like “intrinsic value” mean nothing any more.  Underwriting that takes into account inflation and its impact is back into the mix suddenly.  The role and depth of bank financing and its costs are game changers.  So much has changed and tomorrow’s outlook is still so uncertain that a sharp pencil and operating experience with assets is a critical element of any successful broker’s tool kit today.

In the original old bull and young bull story, the two come together at the top of the hill they share.  The trouble today is that the hill moved.  He who finds the way to the new hill will get to the top first.

Tom Hoban is CEO and co-founder of Coast|Sperry Van Ness, a commercial real estate firm in Everett, WA.

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3 Responses to “Old Bull, Young Bull”
  1. Jim Krieger says:

    Tom,

    Great article!
    I deal with lenders, buyers and brokers on a daily basis. With the ever changing underwriting guidelines
    it’s a “moving target” to fund a transaction. Like you said, “the hill is moving”. A great book that I read supporting this topic is, “Let’s get real or let’s not play” by Mahan Khalsa and Randy Illig. It dove tails your article and is helping me with my relationships with not only the clients, but with the lenders as well. One of the dramatic changes I am experiencing in this current economic crisis is that of the lender. Their position is very volatile and their “hill is moving” as well. We will not be going back to the old hill, it will be an entirely new hill and everybody is waiting to see where it is and what it looks like. Good job Tom.

    Jim Krieger

  2. John Wahl says:

    Tom, very true in this market; lots of offers are being made and the hills are ever moving. There is definately a lot of denial still out there and a lot of players that are in disbelief of what is happening. Thanks again for the insight. John

  3. Terry L. Schell says:

    Hi Tom -
    Wonderful anecdotal comparison between “then” and “now!”
    That is one of the compelling reasons that my new relationship with SVN is so dynamic. You guys truly are ‘looking for the new hill.’
    Perhaps that’s why the excitment grows for adding my service, Cost Segregation, to the suite of services that you offer your clients. Many of your colleagues are doing just that. When you can show OLD clients, as well as NEW clients, that they can “increase cash flow by lowering federal income taxes” on their properties, all via an approved IRS program, you are approaching a “New Hill” indeed. And, you are moving forward and not sitting on your ass ets. Pun intended…
    Keep up the creative writing.

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